Recently the batch numbers reset to 0 and started counting up again. I try
to change it back, but it won't stick. How can I set the Batch counter
back to the correct number? Config...Batch... is not working.
Dennis
Re-adding the email list back so we all gain the insight into your journey
You still didn’t answer about whether you’re replacing stock probes with new probes (so connecting the new probes to the inbuilt measurement system of the roaster) or if you’re attaching them to an external thermocouple reading device like a Phidget?
Since very few people are likely to have a ZR7 you’re going to be largely feeding us info that we can’t guess or fill in.
You said: “I assume this means that I will need to change some settings because I changed the probes.”
If you meant you’d have to change something in Artisan, then I think your assumption will not be correct. There’s nothing in Artisan that has anything directly to do with probes. It simply reads the device it’s attached to. If there’s any settings that need changing then they are going to be in whatever you’ve attached the probes to (the roaster PIDs or the Phidgets; see earlier question). It could be that your thermocouples (which are most likely K-type thermocouples) so if you’re replacing the inbuilt controller sensors’ probes you may find that you have an incorrect probe type – did the other person talk about what probes they used ?
You said “The previous probes were not sensitive enough for recording accurate temperatures”. Sensitive and accurate are two different behaviours, not related.
Absolute accuracy is only important if you’re trying to reproduce a roast using someone else’s temperatures – which if I’m honest you should probably just forget about attempting – for your own roasting, so as long as the probe reads 180*C at the same temperature time after time, I.e. it is repeatably accurate, that is sufficient to roast with. After all, what you’re wanting to do is produce the magic roast, and then be able to repeat it tomorrow or next week. If you are concerned about having it in an appropriate ballpark, you can apply a formula to the values within Artisan to scale the value to what you think is “accurate”. Ultimately quality comes down to the cup quality of the output, not what the temperature was at 6min 25 seconds into the roast (although clearly how you got to that temperature, and what you do after that temperature, are critical). I’d also say that physical coffee change milestones against time are much more important data points, compared to what temperature green to yellow transition happened for example. If this is about learning the new roaster then I can understand how you’d want to try to get consistency between your previous (or second) roaster or so you can transfer the roast curve between your two roasters as you do different batch sizes, but you’re always going to find they roast and cup differently so you’re always going to be going through the roast/taste/adjust cycle... I’d always start by trying to stick to your general milestones and durations, not temperatures, and adjust from there to suit the different roaster.
An easy way to check accuracy is to use two water solutions – boiling water and iced water – If you have the existing probes and the new probes accessible and measure with both, you can tell whether they are reading accurately. You can also get a feel for how close they read to real temperatures, as they’ll be close to 100*C and 0*C (well most likely sub 10*C anyway). Doing this can also tell you if the electronics that read the probes are correctly interpreting things too – if you have the wrong thermocouples, you might find the iced temperatures show say 20*C and the boiling temp 150*C.
A probe’s “sensitivity” is about it’s reaction to changing temperatures, ie how fast it can respond to a change in it’s environmental temperature. Typically a thicker probe has more thermal mass so requires more temperature differential to change and is therefore less sensitive. A thinner probe has less thermal mass and therefore responds to change quicker, so is more sensitive. It’s no more accurate, and in fact can be less so, but it just responds quicker. This is a thermodynamic behaviour of probes, and are completely dependent on the metal used in the probe, the thermowell the sensor is in inside the probe, and can even be influenced by how the probe is mounted. However the main way to deal with a sensitivity issue is usually to replace the probe.
However when I read what you’re describing in how the temperature that Artisan can read “lags” behind an actual change in temperature, seemed actually more like you were using a thicker probe, rather than a thinner probe, or the probes were completely the wrong type for whatever you have them connected to. Again, here’s where you can use the ice/boiling water tests to see how things change over time... put the probe in the ice water, wait until the temp that Artisan shows stabilises (it’s like the turning point!) and then put it in the boiling water and see how quickly the probes start to read the change in temperature. You can also time how quickly it stabilises at the upper temperature which is an indicator of sensitivity.
And here’s some more reading - https://artisan-roasterscope.blogspot.com/2014/01/sampling-interval-smoothi… has some info on smoothing settings and sampling intervals, which assuming you changed nothing else should still be consistent with your “old” setup and wouldn’t introduce any behavioural change like you talk about, but is important background for once you get things sorted.
Cheers
Brett
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Subject: Re: [Artisan-user] Re: Sampling
Hello…and thank you for your quick replies
After reading your comments and having a check of the roaster and some read outs, I think that at least some of the issue may be the time it takes for the actual temperature change to flow through to Artisan. I assume this means that I will need to change some settings because I changed the probes.
I changed the probes after speaking to another roaster who has the ZR7 Silon and has produced much better roasts as a result. The previous probes were not sensitive enough for recording accurate temperatures. The bean and drum temperature were actually far higher than the probes were showing. Since changing I have had far better roasts but know that if I can sort this issue out they will be even better.
I purchased the probes from Mill City Roasters in the US. This is the link https://millcityroasters.com/shop/roaster-parts-accessories/replacement-par…<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmillcityr…>
I will get the information together about the probes so I can post it on here. I am also going to do a few roasts tomorrow to check the response times. I can then get the information together that you have asked for.
Thanks for your help. Much appreciated.
Steve
On 21 Jun 2020, at 01:27, Brett Pound via Artisan-User <artisan-user(a)lists.einfachkaffee.de<mailto:artisan-user@lists.einfachkaffee.de>> wrote:
I repeat those questions – tell us why you replaced them, whether you replaced them connected to the PIDs or through a phidgets (or equivalent) outside the CTE controls, and tell us what exactly you mean “response is 4-5 seconds”. Do you mean that it takes 4-5 seconds for a single read of the data to populate into Artisan? Or do you mean that it takes 4.5 seconds for the actual temperature change to flow through to the recording that Artisan is doing. Most likely we will need more info than this too, but at least this way we can start to assist and direct you.
Vcheers
Brett
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Subject: [Artisan-user] Re: Sampling
Hi Steve,
What prompted you to replace the original probes? Were the new ones provided by Coffee-Tech? What is the exact tech spec difference between the old and new probes?
Can you add a roast profile from before the probe change and one after so we see what you mean? It’s good to see how ’smooth’ the RoR was and is for comparison.
Best also attach your settings file, so the experts here can look at your settings.
Marko posted blogs about smoothing a while back, have you read that? One of them:
https://artisan-roasterscope.blogspot.com/2017/07/more-on-digital-noise.html<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fartisan-r…>
Best,
Frans
> Op 20 jun. 2020, om 19:22 heeft Steve Perrett via Artisan-User <artisan-user(a)lists.einfachkaffee.de<mailto:artisan-user@lists.einfachkaffee.de>> het volgende geschreven:
>
> Hello everyone. I am very much a layman when it comes to technical details regarding Artisan. I have been using Artisan 2.0.0 since launched without any problems. I have recently fitted new 2mm 50mm K-Type BT & ET Thermocouples to my 7kg Coffee Tech ZR7 and updated to Artisan 2.4. However, I am now having issues with sampling. Whatever figure I enter for sampling the response is 4-5 seconds and ROR is much smoother than I know it should be. I have tried 1 and 2 seconds for Sampling but it didn't make any difference. Can anyone suggest a remedy or tell me where I am going wrong? Apologies for the lack of detail.
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Hello everyone. I am very much a layman when it comes to technical details regarding Artisan. I have been using Artisan 2.0.0 since launched without any problems. I have recently fitted new 2mm 50mm K-Type BT & ET Thermocouples to my 7kg Coffee Tech ZR7 and updated to Artisan 2.4. However, I am now having issues with sampling. Whatever figure I enter for sampling the response is 4-5 seconds and ROR is much smoother than I know it should be. I have tried 1 and 2 seconds for Sampling but it didn't make any difference. Can anyone suggest a remedy or tell me where I am going wrong? Apologies for the lack of detail.
Hi Guy,
you sent the reply plus attachments to my personal email — to get people with a similar setup as yours to see it, best send it to the mailing list. Since the list does not accept large attachments, best make it a small screen snapshot, not a photograph of the entire screen.
About Ramp-Soak: I don’t use that method these days but I did blog about it when I did, like here:
https://kostverlorenvaart.blogspot.com/2014/02/first-pxg4-controlled-roasts… <https://kostverlorenvaart.blogspot.com/2014/02/first-pxg4-controlled-roasts…>
Patience with a learning curve, taking it one new step at a time is the better method. Trying to do it all at once can be too ambitious if many of the techniques and terms are completely new to you.
Teaching yourself to roast with the little roaster, and then adding one connection at a time, seeing how that works, reading all about it, was very productive for me in the early stages.
A technician could help you set up the controls so that they actually work.
You could also buy one of the roaster models that is already supported from the start and with just one menu click you would be on your way.
The alternative is very adventurous and not easy ;-)
Frans
> Op 12 jun. 2020, om 11:48 heeft Guy Tzur <espressotech(a)gmail.com> het volgende geschreven:
>
> Hi Frans
>
> Your roaster looks nice: https://cormorant-roasters.business.site/ <https://cormorant-roasters.business.site/>
> Thank you
> A screen snapshot of your alarms would be easier to ‘read’ I think. Then maybe someone with similar setup would immediately see what’s wrong.
> attached
> If in Artisan you have clicked ON then the program is active and no statistics can be saved of course since nothing has been completed yet. Just like at the start of a sports event we do not know who wins what medals ;-0
> attached screen snapshot it does not matter also with off profile ,also if i open a profile the save setting is turned off
> Ramp/Soak is a term in PID process control technology, not something unique to Artisan so it needs no explanation in Artisan. Simply put, it’s like a stairway in time: for instance "go to 150ºC, hold for a bit, then move up to 180ºC", etc.
> i understand is it possible to plan a profile with incremental small transition smooth ? is that what the designer does?
> It would be advisable, I think, to consult a technician nearby. It seems you try to do and learn a lot of things all at the same time.
> Yes that's true , i do not have patience for the learning curve, i strive for the best result from the start
> . Why technician? roasting is not developed in my country , how can a technician help me ? My difficulty is with understanding how to translate my wish to commands for artisan.
> in his reply to one of the comments to your pid video in home barista https://www.home-barista.com/home-roasting/artisan-built-in-pid-controlling… <https://www.home-barista.com/home-roasting/artisan-built-in-pid-controlling…> Marko
> said "You have to tick the "Control" button in the Config >> Device dialog and do a Command
> what command do you think he means?
>
> regards
> Guy
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 10:26 AM Frans Goddijn via Artisan-User <artisan-user(a)lists.einfachkaffee.de <mailto:artisan-user@lists.einfachkaffee.de>> wrote:
> Hi Guy,
>
> Your roaster looks nice: https://cormorant-roasters.business.site/ <https://cormorant-roasters.business.site/>
>
> A screen snapshot of your alarms would be easier to ‘read’ I think. Then maybe someone with similar setup would immediately see what’s wrong.
>
> If in Artisan you have clicked ON then the program is active and no statistics can be saved of course since nothing has been completed yet. Just like at the start of a sports event we do not know who wins what medals ;-0
>
> Ramp/Soak is a term in PID process control technology, not something unique to Artisan so it needs no explanation in Artisan. Simply put, it’s like a stairway in time: for instance "go to 150ºC, hold for a bit, then move up to 180ºC", etc.
>
> It would be advisable, I think, to consult a technician nearby. It seems you try to do and learn a lot of things all at the same time.
>
> F
>
>
>
>> Op 11 jun. 2020, om 23:47 heeft Guy Tzur <espressotech(a)gmail.com <mailto:espressotech@gmail.com>> het volgende geschreven:
>>
>> HI
>>
>> ,thank you for the reply
>> my roaster would be gas burner with 600 gram batch drum working on 12 volt dc for the
>> fan and drum motor it is not from the list of brands already defined for artisan . its cormorant cr600
>>
>> i am using last version 2.4 actually the machine i defined is phidget tmp 1101 2xtc
>> i did not connected the roaster yet i am trying to make demo to see my proportional valve and fan can be operated from artisan and as mentioned manually everything is functioning as expected
>> here is the list of alarms i have
>> Nr Status If Alarm But Not From Time Source Condition Value Action Beep Description
>> 1 True 0 0 ON 00:00 ET above 180.0 START True start recording
>> 2 True 0 0 DRY END 00:00 0xT1: toFCs below 45.0 Set Canvas Color True #BFBFBF
>> 3 True 0 0 DRY END 00:00 0xT2: afterFCs above 45.0 Reset Canvas Color True
>> 4 True 0 0 START 00:00 BT above 25.0 Slider Burner True 100
>> as mentioned i put no. 4 to see if burner slider is moving and it is but not stop
>> i have ticked control and put background profile and sv slider is following the profile but the
>> burner slider is not activated even though the bt temperature is 25 actually room temperature at moment.
>> i really do not know how to use ramp and soak table and whether it can be helpful to plan roast profile
>> and did not find documentation about it.
>>
>> the save statistics is the only line in file tab that is pale i mean not active
>>
>> regards
>> Guy
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 12:08 AM Frans Goddijn via Artisan-User <artisan-user(a)lists.einfachkaffee.de <mailto:artisan-user@lists.einfachkaffee.de>> wrote:
>> Hi Guy,
>>
>> From your post it is not clear exactly what machine model from what manufacturer you have and how you have modified it exactly.
>>
>> To get the help you want, it can be useful if the reader can quickly understand exactly what you are doing with what machine, how things are connected and set up, which version of Artisan you are using, with what configuration, what alarms etc.
>>
>> You mention articles about pid control and label printing without exactly specifying the URLs so someone who wants to help needs to google to find what you are referring to and that too can make it harder to get good feedback.
>>
>> As to printing labels, I do file -> save statistics and that gives me a PDF with the information I want to print and enclose with the beans for myself and for my clients.
>>
>> It is up to you to control your printer and print on anything you like of course.
>>
>> Artisan also gives you the option to save the cup profile you want as a PDF so you can also print that of course.
>>
>> Hope it helps!
>>
>> Frans
>>
>>> Op 11 jun. 2020, om 20:26 heeft Guy Tzur via Artisan-User <artisan-user(a)lists.einfachkaffee.de <mailto:artisan-user@lists.einfachkaffee.de>> het volgende geschreven:
>>>
>>>
>>> I figured out how to activate the burner and fan manually with a phidget and sliders or buttons.
>>>
>>> now for the control part if i use the alarm to start activation of the fan or burner from a certain point it works
>>> but how do i stop it?
>>> i looked at article pid control and did not find anything about set up for control with phidgets
>>> if i use background profile and start i do not get any tracking of the curve i only use the device now as simulation so not real heat is involved but i expected opening of the burner in order to reach sv
>>> the sv slider is changing as expected to the temperature of each point in the background curve
>>> so there is something i miss.
>>> Also what cases do I use background and when ramp and soak is it possible to put values of temperature in the ramp and soak table and expect that the burner and fan will open and close in order to get the sv in the table
>>> along the roasting? Is that its purpose?
>>> Is there documentation about this I can refer to?
>>>
>>> and a small question I did not find. How can I print labels from the roast properties as mentioned in documentation.
>>> is it also possible to add the cup profile to the label?
>>> regards
>>> Guy
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> best regards
>>> Guy Tzur
>>>
>>> www <http://www.espressotech.co.il/>.espressotech.co.il <http://www.espressotech.co.il/>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> best regards
>> Guy Tzur
>>
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>
> --
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> <save statistics.jpg><alarms.JPG>
Hi Guy,
Your roaster looks nice: https://cormorant-roasters.business.site/
A screen snapshot of your alarms would be easier to ‘read’ I think. Then maybe someone with similar setup would immediately see what’s wrong.
If in Artisan you have clicked ON then the program is active and no statistics can be saved of course since nothing has been completed yet. Just like at the start of a sports event we do not know who wins what medals ;-0
Ramp/Soak is a term in PID process control technology, not something unique to Artisan so it needs no explanation in Artisan. Simply put, it’s like a stairway in time: for instance "go to 150ºC, hold for a bit, then move up to 180ºC", etc.
It would be advisable, I think, to consult a technician nearby. It seems you try to do and learn a lot of things all at the same time.
F
> Op 11 jun. 2020, om 23:47 heeft Guy Tzur <espressotech(a)gmail.com> het volgende geschreven:
>
> HI
>
> ,thank you for the reply
> my roaster would be gas burner with 600 gram batch drum working on 12 volt dc for the
> fan and drum motor it is not from the list of brands already defined for artisan . its cormorant cr600
>
> i am using last version 2.4 actually the machine i defined is phidget tmp 1101 2xtc
> i did not connected the roaster yet i am trying to make demo to see my proportional valve and fan can be operated from artisan and as mentioned manually everything is functioning as expected
> here is the list of alarms i have
> Nr Status If Alarm But Not From Time Source Condition Value Action Beep Description
> 1 True 0 0 ON 00:00 ET above 180.0 START True start recording
> 2 True 0 0 DRY END 00:00 0xT1: toFCs below 45.0 Set Canvas Color True #BFBFBF
> 3 True 0 0 DRY END 00:00 0xT2: afterFCs above 45.0 Reset Canvas Color True
> 4 True 0 0 START 00:00 BT above 25.0 Slider Burner True 100
> as mentioned i put no. 4 to see if burner slider is moving and it is but not stop
> i have ticked control and put background profile and sv slider is following the profile but the
> burner slider is not activated even though the bt temperature is 25 actually room temperature at moment.
> i really do not know how to use ramp and soak table and whether it can be helpful to plan roast profile
> and did not find documentation about it.
>
> the save statistics is the only line in file tab that is pale i mean not active
>
> regards
> Guy
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 12:08 AM Frans Goddijn via Artisan-User <artisan-user(a)lists.einfachkaffee.de <mailto:artisan-user@lists.einfachkaffee.de>> wrote:
> Hi Guy,
>
> From your post it is not clear exactly what machine model from what manufacturer you have and how you have modified it exactly.
>
> To get the help you want, it can be useful if the reader can quickly understand exactly what you are doing with what machine, how things are connected and set up, which version of Artisan you are using, with what configuration, what alarms etc.
>
> You mention articles about pid control and label printing without exactly specifying the URLs so someone who wants to help needs to google to find what you are referring to and that too can make it harder to get good feedback.
>
> As to printing labels, I do file -> save statistics and that gives me a PDF with the information I want to print and enclose with the beans for myself and for my clients.
>
> It is up to you to control your printer and print on anything you like of course.
>
> Artisan also gives you the option to save the cup profile you want as a PDF so you can also print that of course.
>
> Hope it helps!
>
> Frans
>
>> Op 11 jun. 2020, om 20:26 heeft Guy Tzur via Artisan-User <artisan-user(a)lists.einfachkaffee.de <mailto:artisan-user@lists.einfachkaffee.de>> het volgende geschreven:
>>
>>
>> I figured out how to activate the burner and fan manually with a phidget and sliders or buttons.
>>
>> now for the control part if i use the alarm to start activation of the fan or burner from a certain point it works
>> but how do i stop it?
>> i looked at article pid control and did not find anything about set up for control with phidgets
>> if i use background profile and start i do not get any tracking of the curve i only use the device now as simulation so not real heat is involved but i expected opening of the burner in order to reach sv
>> the sv slider is changing as expected to the temperature of each point in the background curve
>> so there is something i miss.
>> Also what cases do I use background and when ramp and soak is it possible to put values of temperature in the ramp and soak table and expect that the burner and fan will open and close in order to get the sv in the table
>> along the roasting? Is that its purpose?
>> Is there documentation about this I can refer to?
>>
>> and a small question I did not find. How can I print labels from the roast properties as mentioned in documentation.
>> is it also possible to add the cup profile to the label?
>> regards
>> Guy
>>
>>
>> --
>> best regards
>> Guy Tzur
>>
>> www <http://www.espressotech.co.il/>.espressotech.co.il <http://www.espressotech.co.il/>
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>
>
> --
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>
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I figured out how to activate the burner and fan manually with a phidget
and sliders or buttons.
now for the control part if i use the alarm to start activation of the fan
or burner from a certain point it works
but how do i stop it?
i looked at article *pid control *and did not find anything about set up
for control with phidgets
if i use background profile and start i do not get any tracking of the
curve i only use the device now as simulation so not real heat is involved
but i expected opening of the burner in order to reach sv
the sv slider is changing as expected to the temperature of each point in
the background curve
so there is something i miss.
Also what cases do I use background and when ramp and soak is it possible
to put values of temperature in the ramp and soak table and expect that the
burner and fan will open and close in order to get the sv in the table
along the roasting? Is that its purpose?
Is there documentation about this I can refer to?
and a small question I did not find. How can I print labels from the roast
properties as mentioned in documentation.
is it also possible to add the cup profile to the label?
regards
Guy
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best regards
Guy Tzur
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Hi Dan,
This screenshot helps a lot. For the date and time time you want to
enter "~datetime" (without the quotes). This gives a date in the form
of yy-MM-dd_hhmm. Of course I don't know what you have in the title
field of your Roast Properties, but assuming it is "PNG KetoTapasi" then
you will want to use the field "~title". Here is a screenshot with that
as an example.
I notice you use underbars instead of spaces. That's fine, but the
title field takes the title as is so if you want an underbar there you
would need to have it in the title field.
If "PNG KetoTapasi" is not in the Title, but is in the Beans field,
there are ways of accessing that too.
Take a look at the help for this dialog. All the available fields are
documented there and you will also find some examples that you can cut
and paste into this dialog to get a feel for what is possible.
Dave
>
> Dave,
>
> Yes, I specifically reference PNG in my File Name Prefix. Your
> explanation is clearing things up for me. I didn’t realize the
> Autosave fields are drawn from Properties so perhaps I’m not
> formatting it properly. My definition is attached as a screenshot.
>
> Key to this definition is the formatting of the date which is [last
> two digits of the year]_[month][day]_[time] as this keeps things in
> progressive order for all my files and makes it very easy to refer
> back. Time could also be batch number or anything that indicates the
> order of the roasts for a given coffee but I don’t work in batches per
> se since I only do maybe 3 batches at most per coffee.
>
> Dan
>
>
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>
>> On Jun 5, 2020, at 12:35 PM, Dave <roasterdave(a)gmx.com
>> <mailto:roasterdave@gmx.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Dan,
>>
>> The Autosave file name is generated "fresh" each time it is needed.
>> Nothing is retained. The Autosave fields are drawn from the Roast
>> Properties and profile information for the currently open roast.
>> That is to say the PNG information should not be getting mixed in.
>> This is curious. Did you happen to put text that references "PNG" in
>> the Autosave definition rather than using a dynamic field? Maybe you
>> can send me your Autosave definition to take a look at.
>>
>> The date field is pulled from the roast date in Roast Properties so
>> it should match with the currently open roast. The date field does
>> not reflect the moment the file name is generated. In earlier
>> versions when manually saving a roast, the date portion of the file
>> name was also drawn from the roast date.
>>
>> Let's get to the bottom of this. The Autosave file naming should
>> work for you not against you.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On 6/5/2020 10:26 AM, Dan Coplan wrote:
>>> Dave,
>>>
>>> Thanks for your reply. With respect to the new Autosave feature, it
>>> works great and I was able to create the specific way I name my
>>> files - no issues there and a great improvement for Autosave.
>>> However, when not using the Autosave feature, I find that saving the
>>> current file has now taken a step backwards by drawing information
>>> from the Autosave details rather than from the Properties info and
>>> existing date and time.
>>>
>>> Example: I’m roasting an Ethiopian but have PNG (Papua New Guinea)
>>> details in the Autosave fields from last week. Autosave is turned
>>> OFF. At the end of my roast I want to save the file with the
>>> Ethiopia title in Properties along with the current date and time.
>>> In version 2.4, the filename defaults to the information in Autosave
>>> (incorrect bean and last week’s date). In version 2.1.2 the filename
>>> appropriately defaults to the correct title in Properties as well as
>>> the current date and time.
>>>
>>> The new Autosave feature is fantastic but I consider this a bug when
>>> Autosave is turned off and the preference is to save manually.
>>>
>>> Dan
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>>>
>>>> On Jun 5, 2020, at 7:55 AM, Dave via Artisan-User
>>>> <artisan-user(a)lists.einfachkaffee.de
>>>> <mailto:artisan-user@lists.einfachkaffee.de>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Dan,
>>>>
>>>> Artisan v2.4 always uses the Autosave definition to suggest a file
>>>> name when you use Save As or Save a Copy As. The folder choice
>>>> works as it always has. When manually saving a file, the folder
>>>> shown in the save dialog is the last one used. When the file is
>>>> automatically saved it will go to the folder specified for
>>>> Autosave. From your description it sounds like you have been
>>>> using this behavior to choose one of two folders for saving. You
>>>> can continue to do this once the Autosave fields are setup to
>>>> support your file naming scheme.
>>>>
>>>> The new Autosave fields allow enormous flexibility to name your
>>>> files. You mention using Papua New Guinea specific information in
>>>> the Autosave fields. With the new Autosave you should not need
>>>> unique information like that any more. Using the fields you can
>>>> create a file name that will work for Ethiopia as well as for Papua
>>>> New Guinea. If you give me some examples of your file names and
>>>> your Title and Bean fields I can help you create the appropriate
>>>> Autosave fields. Once the Autosave fields are setup to meet your
>>>> specific needs, you will seldom, if ever, need to manually create a
>>>> file name for a new roast.
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> On 6/4/2020 10:55 PM, Dan Coplan via Artisan-User wrote:
>>>>> I used the new 2.4 today. I had information for a Papua New Guinea
>>>>> coffee entered in the Autosave fields from a previous roast but
>>>>> had Autosave turned off. The coffee I was roasting was named
>>>>> properly in Properties (let’s say an Ethiopian for this example).
>>>>>
>>>>> At the end of my roasts (clicking OFF), a dialog box would pop up
>>>>> automatically asking if I wanted to save the profile (or cancel).
>>>>> If I clicked ok it would save based on the information in the
>>>>> Autosave section, in this example sending my Ethiopia roast to the
>>>>> Papua New Guinea folder. If I clicked Cancel and went to save
>>>>> manually, the info for the file ready to be saved was based on the
>>>>> Autosave info rather than the Properties info.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dan
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>>>>>
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I used the new 2.4 today. I had information for a Papua New Guinea coffee entered in the Autosave fields from a previous roast but had Autosave turned off. The coffee I was roasting was named properly in Properties (let’s say an Ethiopian for this example).
At the end of my roasts (clicking OFF), a dialog box would pop up automatically asking if I wanted to save the profile (or cancel). If I clicked ok it would save based on the information in the Autosave section, in this example sending my Ethiopia roast to the Papua New Guinea folder. If I clicked Cancel and went to save manually, the info for the file ready to be saved was based on the Autosave info rather than the Properties info.
Dan
Fat Rabbit Coffee
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I have a Java ‘app’ in my System Preferences panel. I think this is from when I owned a Sonofresco a long time ago. I’m cleaning my system and just want to make sure this has nothing to do with Artisan and as far as that is concerned, it’s safe to delete. I understand this may affect other things that have nothing to do with Artisan. Thanks.
Dan
Fat Rabbit Coffee
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